A beginners guide to collecting the .45 auto pistol. Part 1 Written By: Karl Karash While this guide is primarly slanted toward the .45 automatic, many of the comments herein can be applied generally, and even if interests lie with other pistols, perhaps a few tidbits can be extracted. Many of the comments stem from mistakes that I have made, and reading about them may keep someone from repeating my folly. The very first time that some people get the urge, or are bitten by the gun bug is sometimes not a precisely definable instant, but is an irresistable force that gradually builds up. Other people seem to be struck with a type of lust that has been associated with the American Automobile buyer, and the money that they do not have burns a hole in their pockets until the catharsis of buying the gun gives temporary symptomatic relief of the forces that brought about the original emotional state. In either case, the subject may feel that it is necessary to act expeditiously in order to avoid being left out, or missing out on something. These are probably very normal human reactions, and represent the difficulties that we all face when we make decisions that have possible long term consequences. If we make decisions that will effect our lives for years to come, (such as buying a house, choosing a physician, or a marriage partner) with the same dispatch as when we try a new deodorant, then we will be stuck with the consequences of our hasty action. I do not mean to imply that prompt action is not sometimes necessary; far from it. Collecting of any sort is often a tug of war between hesitating, then missing an item, and acting quickly and ending up with regrets. Collecting is then a lot like taking a stroll through a swamp. If you step on the wrong spot, you will be in trouble, and furthermore if you see someone walking casually among the alligators, you may find that he too has big teeth. The purpose of this guide is to provide some signposts which will tell you how to keep out of the quicksand and avoid the alligators. (If anyone is offended by the warnings and advice in this guide, then perhaps we are getting a little too close to home, and maybe our act could use a little cleaning up??) Definition: A gun collector is someone who for whatever reason collects guns. A person who buys and sells guns is no more a collector than is a person who buys and sells stocks. We don't call a person who buys and sells stocks, a stock collector, we call him an investor or speculator. A collector does not have to be collecting to be one, any more than an alcoholic has to be drinking in order to be one, but deep down inside, they know when they are one! This guide will not help you much in making the correct decisions, but it may help in avoiding some of the wrong ones. The guide is roughly divided into three sections: Themes for Collecting, History, and Advice. There is no particular order that the sections should be read, however, the beginner might always do well to listen to advice AFTER he has read everything else. That bit of advice might even apply to all of us. I believe that most collectors eventually realize that discipline is a necessary ingredient in any collecting endeavor. A self imposed discipline, may be one of the characteristics that separates man from the lower amimals, whose behavior is governed almost entirely by instinct. Imposing self discipline on ones self may even be part of a modern day rite of manhood. The discipline that you impose on your collection may be more a part of you and what makes your collection personal, than are the guns themselves. Some collectors have a collection which changes as the wind, and they unabashedly admit that their interest in any gun is as a toy which is to be used for the immediate visceral pleasure and it's then to be gotten rid of. Other collectors see each acquisition as if it was a part of whatever makes them a whole person, and will seldom even listen to the suggestion that they might sell a possession. I have noticed what appears to be an uncomfortably close correlation between the attitude that people have to their guns and to their partners in life. There are no rights or wrongs in these attitudes, but it does also seem that people with similar attitudes toward their guns have an affinity for each other. It is unfortunate that many people are so squirreley about their guns, for fear that if someone knew 1 of their existence that it would be only a matter of hours before the hordes of low life would be breaking down their door. In spite of this, however, collectors seem to find each other and advance the general knowledge base. A ".45 AUTO Pistol" collection can be a stand alone entity, or it can be part of a larger collection, and there are no rights or wrongs as to what to collect, since collecting is an activity which yields gratification. There are however, investment aspects that go along with the collection, and it is ultimately up to the collector to balance the gratification and enjoyment against the yield of the investment. Once it has been determined that the field in which you wish to collect is the .45 auto pistol, perhaps setting some overall goals or guidelines would be useful. Even better is to try to write down the goals and the limitations which you wish to impose on yourself. When this is done, it should be done in a way that leaves room for expansion and modification. Because as time goes on, and some or all of the goals become fulfilled, you will find that your interest changes. When that happens, it is essential that the outline or skeleton of the collection be flexible enough that it can accommodate the necessary bends without breaking into little disconnected pieces. One line of reasoning would be to define a starting level with a broad enough base that it can be extended outward from any point; this allows specialization without weakening the whole structure. An example of this might be to determine to first collect all of the military acceptance stamps, and as these stamps span the whole period of production from 1912 through 1945, they would form a foundation for any collection. Another approach might be to confine yourself to a subset of the complete production period, such as to collect only the 1911s, as Bill Goddard chose to do, or perhaps to pick only the 1911A1s. There are enough categories or subcategories to occupy most interests. You might choose to specialize in Navy pistols, or even only U.S. NAVY marked pistols. The Navy pistols of WWI were marked "U.S.NAVY," whereas the two batches of WWII Navy Pistols can only be identified by serial number. One could start out collecting WWI Navys and then branch out to WWII, and then perhaps to the Marine Corps issued pistols since, at least administratively, the Marine Corps was part of the Navy Department. A broader baseline for the collection, however, would allow much easier changes in the theme of the overall collection. If you choose to specialize in a rather narrow field (such as the 1911 Springfield Armory produced pistols), it will be only a matter of time before you collect yourself into a corner, and the only holes in your collection are ones that are nearly impossible to fill, or the prices of the available examples are so high that you cannot afford them. In this example, all the variations (in this case, batches) of the NRA marked Springfields would be the logical progression from the basic Springfield guns. These pistols are so scarce (and generally priced so high,), that it would be difficult to maintain a high level of interest in them over the years. Only if one has a nearly infinite amount of patience, and perhaps money too, should one limit oneself to so narrow a field of collecting. Other possible themes for a collection include: 1. Collect 1911 pistols by year of production. 2. Collect 1911A1 pistols by year of production. 3. Collect only Colt 1911s or 1911A1s. 4. Collect everything but Colts. 5. Collect only militaries, or only commercials. 6. Collect only parkerized 1911A1s. 7. Collect only blued 1911A1s. 8. Collect only new condition examples. 9. Collect all the variations of a particuluar mfg. such as U.S.&S. 10. Collect only the most rare and highly priced guns such as Singer and North American. 11. Collect only one manufacturer such as Remington Rand or Ithaca. 12. Collect only presentation or specially marked give-away or experimental examples such as the ERRS Remington Rands. 13. Collect only military national match examples by year. 2 14. Collect only 1911A1 Colts with numbered slides. 15. Collect only foreign contracts. 16. Collect only Norwegian examples, both Colt and Norwegian made. 17. Collect only South American Contracts such as Brasil, Argentina, and Mexico. 18. Collect only foreign variations such as the Norwegian, Ballister- Molina, Obregon, or Asian copies made from shell fragments. 19. Collect only early 1911s such as examples with the circle around the horse. 20. Collect only pistols with fire blued parts. 21. Collect only pistols with dimpled magazine catches. 22. Collect only U.S. Marine Corps issued pistols. 23. Collect only consecutively numbered pairs. 24. Collect only marked arsenal rework examples. 25. Collect only X numbered reworks. 26. Collect only duplicate serial numbered pairs. 27. Collect only pistols with both commercial and military markings. 28. Collect only pistols without proofs or acceptance stamps. 29. Collect only 1911/1911A1 transition pistols. 30. Collect only British marked pistols in cal..455 31. Collect only lend lease pistols. 32. Collect only pistols in .38 Super cal. 33. Collect all variations of proof and acceptance marks. 34. Collect only cutaways, factory and non factory. 35. Collect only contracts to a specific country, such as Canada. 36. Collect only examples made in a specific year, such as your year of birth. Mil,Comm, Foreign,nat match, ace,.38, 37. Collect only 1911 commercials. 38. Collect only 1911A1 commercials. 39. Collect only Swartz Safety equipped examples. 40. Collect only Service Model ACE pistols. 41. Collect only AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) pistols. 42. Collect only post WWII commercials. 43. Collect only Engraved pistols, Factory and non-factory. 44. Collect only rigs (guns with matching leather). 45. Collect only pre-production examples (prototypes, pilot runs,etc.) 46. Collect only pistols documented as having seen specific service. 47. Collect uniquely marked examples such as inscribed or unit marked. 48. Collect examples as they strike your fancy, with the hope that a theme for the collection will present itself. 49. Collect only leather and accesories, and related items, such as Squad cleaning kits, shipping boxes, catalogs, manuals, take down tools, storage racks, ammunition, factory tools, roll dies, parts, documentation, serial number data, production records, and of course stories, both written and oral. 50. Collect only NAVY marked pistols. 51. Collect only Commemoratives. 52. Collect only clones. 53. Collect Reblues, mismatches, imports, junkers, shooters, and anything unusual. 54. Collect any combination of these catagories. 1,2. Collecting M1911/1911A1 pistols by year of production allows you to pick and choose among many variations which you may find produced in most years. It only requires 8 M1911 examples and 10 M1911A1 examples, therfore, the numbers of examples needed to complete a basic collection are modest. Some of the years, however, especially 1937, 1938, and 1939 are so rare that some collectors have looked for many years without ever being close to buying one. 3. Collecting only "COLT" 1911s or only "COLT" 1911A1s has a sort of snob appeal that seems to be popular among the Single Action Army collectors, and while this may make good sense financially, it will leave big holes from a historical perspective. The Remington Rands and Ithacas are as much a part of the history as are the Colts; Looking down your nose at these fine guns will only label you as a snob. Collecting only 1911s or only 1911A1s seems 3 to be a popular theme, as this division associates a much smaller period of time with the collection. Often someone will have an especially keen interest in one of the world wars, and the two groups coincide with the wars. The 1911s are more similar as a group, and the differences between the variations are much more subtle, more regular, and can be better organized into catagories. All examples are blued, and many people find the blue finish to be more aesthetic than the parkerized finish. The 1911A1s have a larger number of less well catagorizable variations, and much of the story of the WWII pistols is still being uncovered. The WWI pistols may be the better choice for the person who likes to know exactly what he is dealing with. The subtle points of the WWI pistols, which we now do not know, however, may never be known, because nearly all the people associated with their production are dead. WWII pistols hold more promise for revealing their secrets to the diligent researcher. 4. Collect everything but Colts. WWI had 4 manufacturers, only three of which had guns accepted by the military. The non Colt manufacturers: Remingtom UMC, Springfield Armory, and North American, account for only a small percentage of guns produced, but a fairly significant number of variations. The North American (they produced approximately 100 pistols) has developed a romantic following, and speculation has driven up prices to the point that hope of having an example is completely beyond any working person. WWII had 5 manufacturers, all had guns accepted by the military. The non Colt manufacturers: Remington Rand, Ithaca, Union Switch and Signal, and Singer account for most of the WWII production, and together account for a large number of variations. The examples made by Singer (production of 500) are approaching the position of the North American in so far as being priced out of reach by speculators. 5. Collect only militaries, or only commercials. Some collectors are primarily interested in military subjects, and often have a collection which includes a broad sampling of guns from a specific group of countries, sometimes with a specific theme. Such as "Guns Of The Polish Resistance," and sometimes with only a general theme such as "Guns Of WWII." A loosely defined theme allows for more flexibility and to pick and choose the examples in a looser fashion, if that is what is preferred, because there is little chance that you will collect yourself into a corner. Commercials have less variations, are better finished, and are much more aesthetically appealing to a certain type of collector. Commercials, since they are better finished than military guns, and the guns did not generally see military service, and to a certain group of collectors, only seem to be collectable if they are in nearly new condition. Finding nearly new guns at reasonable prices is always difficult, but it is even more so due to sellers thinking that the commercial gun is worth as much as the equivalent military, whereas the military is expected to be in rougher condition, and will be a collectible example even if it has considerable wear or even be a reblue. There are plenty of examples of both military and commercial guns to collect. 6. Collect only parkerized 1911A1s. At a time past, the parkerized pistols were thought of as poor relations compared to the prestigeous blued 1911s, and many collectors did not consider them to be worthy of a place in their collection. Some collectors still look down their noses at the parkerized examples, if the prices of blued guns that we see are any indication. However the history of the parkerized pistols is probably the most exciting area in the complete field. Largely because much of the story of this group is only now coming to the surface. A collector of modest means might do well to consider the parkerized examples, as the prices are more reasonable than the blued ones. 7. Collect only blued 1911A1s. Out of the total production of approximately 2.6 million 1911/1911A1s only about 35000 blued 1911A1s (1% of the total) were manufactured. The number of variations in this catagory is far greater than would be assumed from the total produced. Production spanned these years (the number of variations in that year is shown in parenthesis): 1924(2), 1937(2), 1938(2), 1939(1), 1940(2),and 1941(5). The 14 variation shown 4 comprise one of the most difficult to obtain sets that a collector could set his sights on. Yet the intrinsic appeal of these pistols, with their unique combination of features (numbered slide, commercial finish, unusual inspector marks, large number of variations, and extreme rarity), seems to some collectors to be so strong as to eclipse the other pistols. 8. Collecting only new condition examples may be one of the most wise strategies from a financial viewpoint, but because the pistols that have any amount of history associated with them usually have some degree of wear, this theme might give less satisfaction to the collector than would other themes, especially if the collector of new guns has a historical bent. New guns are so seldom encountered, that the collector would probably have to buy whatever comes along, irrespective of how it fits into an existing collection or historical theme. The result will almost inevitably be a collection which is a hodgepodge consisting of a few of the most common guns from here and there but with no continuity and no really interesting guns at all. This may be one of the least satisfying themes from an historical perspective, unless the collector has limitless patience, for when one finds a rare gun, in new condition, it is indeed something worth writing home about. The collector who wishes to have a complete and comprehensive historical collection, in new condition, is perhaps the most ambitious and unrealistic of all. I personally do not have much patience with these collectors, because one of the things that I like to do for other collectors is to keep my eyes open for examples that other people are looking for, so that I can steer them to it. I have only a couple of guns in nearly new condition and am always interested in upgrading the examples that I have, so that if I find a new gun at a bargain price, I would almost certainly buy it myself. Because even though most of my guns have considerable wear, I am always interested in upgrading the not so great examples in my collection, So why would I pass up this bargain and turn it over to someone else who could potentially make a quick profit? Asking someone to find bargains on only these most desirable items, that they can turn over quickly for a profit, is almost exactly like asking someone to: "Send me any $100 bills that you find laying around, however I will accept $50s and $20s if they are in really good condition, but don't waste my precious time with anything less than a $20. It is for these reasons that the collector of new guns should not expect to find much help from other collectors, because he is asking them to turn over only the very best examples, and not to keep them themselves. If someone asked me to look for only new guns for him, I would perhaps answer with a question: "Just how stupid do you think that I am?" Rare and seldom encountered guns are now so rarely seen, that the collector must usually buy whatever comes along, and then perhaps at some future date upgrade the examples as better ones come along. 9. Collecting all the variations of a particular mfg. such as U.S.& S. can be an intriguing theme, especially if there is some specific personal relationship which binds you to that manufacturer. Such a tie might be: being raised in the same town or state as the factory, having a relative who worked there, having carried that manufacturers pistol in a war, or it may simply appeal to you. Close proximity to the factory will, of course, give you a leg-up. 10. Collecting only the most rare and highly priced guns such as Singer and North American, can result in a very small collection. This may be ideal for the person who likes to travel light 11. Collecting the pistols of only one manufacturer, such as Remington Rand or Ithaca, gives the opportunity to become an expert in your field, as it gives you the time to dig out all the available facts, without becoming sidetracked. 12. Collecting only presentation or specially marked give-away or experimental examples such as the ERRS Remington Rands is a rather difficult theme because often the history of these arms is simply unknown, and if you have an historical bent, you may be quickly frustrated. 13. Collecting only military national match examples by year may be one 5 of the most frustrating ideas, because even though the national match pistol specifications changed most years (which would seem to mean bountiful variations), most of the pistols were rebuilt over and over again, with no specific documentation, thus pure examples from any one year may not exist. 14. Collecting only 1911A1 Colts with numbered slides is perhaps one of the most promising areas of collecting, because these numbered slide guns are the only .45 AUTOS that you can be sure are matching, and there are many variations within the group. By this reasoning these guns should command a premium price and are perhaps where the smart money is. 15. Collecting only foreign contracts can be very challenging, and very tricky. The price that you pay for a gun is related to the supply and demand, and if the supply increases dramatically, as we all have seen, when a batch of pistols is imported into the country, and advertised in the Shotgun News, the price that the imports sell for is related to the condition of the guns, and often these guns are refinished or in bad shape. Good guns will retain value, but not all their value, in spite of the availability of poor condition guns. At the very least, the pre-import guns will not increase in value as they would have, also the desirability of the pre-import guns will become less because they are now more common. The collector may find that some of the money he has tied up up in his collection will evaporate at the whim of either the government of a banana republic, or some wheeler-dealer importer. The plus side of this theme is that often the foreign contract guns can be bought for very attractive prices. Often it is a matter of knowing when to buy, because these bargains often dry up as quickly as they appear. A bit of common sense is perhaps called for here, because when all of the examples are refinished, then refinished guns are not only collectable, but highly collectable, and to seek the holy grail is perhaps not a rational persuit. 16. Collect only Norwegian examples, both Colt and Norwegian made. The Norwegian government purchased 300 (serial numbers around C 89xxx) commercial 1911 pistols in Jan. 1917 as part of the contract to set them up to manufacture its own .45s. The first production was in December 1917 when 100 model M1912 pistols (the slides were dated 1917), were produced. The M1912 was very similar to the Colt M1911. Most parts were numbered to match the frame. Before serious production began, the slide-stop was redesigned to increase the length of the tang which the thumb pushes down on when closing the slide. Production pistols were marked M/1914 and the left side of the slide is stamped with the Royal Family Crest. Total production was just over 30,000 and continued through WWII. During 1945 about 1100 of these pistols had the Royal Crest replaced by the WaA. These pistols have established a premium position as far as price goes among the other Norwegians, including the M/1912s which are far rarer and should bring far higher prices. 17. Collecting only South American Contracts such as Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico is one of the most interesting areas of collecting. (See article: "The Just Barely prewar Colt .45 AUTOs" Automag Volume XXII pp.#93-98, August 1989.) On the one hand, Most of the available examples can often be purchased for very reasonable prices. On the other hand, many of these pistols are refinished and will always be considered a reblue. However, some of the examples, such as the Obregon, and Mexican contracts, have developed a glamour which has pushed up their prices to levels that are far beyond reason. Most of the South American contract pistols and pistols made under Colt license are of the highest quality and are especially sought after by gunsmiths for conversions to competition guns. These conversions will eventually use up the supply of the imported guns and since the conversions have no collector value, the original guns should become scarce and highly desirable. 18. Collecting only foreign variations such as the Norwegian, Ballister- Molina, Obregon, or Asian copies made from shell fragments has the same drawbacks as the previous catagories, but the prices are even more volatile and flexible because of the small production and plethora of variations. Often the owners of examples develop an inflated view of the value of their possesions. One example I remember when I was offered a Vietnamese made home 6 workshop special. The owner became very disappointed and stomped out when I told him that I thought its value was only that of a shooter, if he is lucky (or perhaps a lawsuit in addition if he is unlucky). 19. Collect only early 1911s such as examples with the circle around the horse. These early pistols have an attraction to them that the later pistols seldom have. These early pistols are finished better (better polished), and have a kind of undefinable appeal to them. Perhaps the biggest drawback to these early guns is the number of examples which have been expertly refinished. This means that extreme care must be exercised in the examination of any of these early examples. 20. Collect only pistols with fire blued parts. The same comments which apply to #19 also apply, only the prices of these pistols are even higher, because the number of these guns that were made is much smaller. 21. Collect only pistols with dimpled and transition magazine catches. The first approximately 3192 military pistols had a magazine release catch retainer which did not have a screwdriver slot as do the later examples, but had a retainer which looked like a button with a dimple, or round recess in it. These have become known as the dimpled magazine catch. Starting at about 3192, Colt apparently decided to replace the dimpled catch with a slotted one. However, in what seems to be true Colt tradition, rather than simply install the new catches and discard the remaining old catches, Colt cut slots in the remaining dimpled catches and installed them for a period of time. That period may have been until all the old stock was used up, or until the newly designed slotted catches were available. The number of these transition catches is not known as pistols in this range are not often seen. My estimate is that they do not go beyond serial #5000. The same comments which apply to #19 also apply here, only the prices of these pistols are even higher, yet the transition catches are not yet appreciated and there are perhaps some bargains out there still. 22. Collect only U.S. Marine Corps issued pistols. This theme might appeal to a collector whose main interest is Marine Corps and would probably not expect to have a large collection of pistols. The biggest drawback to this theme is that the distinction between pistols issued directly to the Corps and pistols used by the Corps is rather technical to most people, and the prices that these examples bring may be rather volatile and hard to predict, especially since none of the guns are marked distinctively. 23. Collect only consecutively numbered pairs. This is one of the most restrictive themes that I can think of, since the military pistols did not normally stay together in pairs, and most of the military pistols which were made are either lost or are not in the original configuration. (They were either destroyed, reworked, refinished, or modified.) Most of the pairs that I have seen have obviously been put back together after years of separation, and usually only after much effort to "make the pistols correct." The price of any pair would be hard to define due to their extreme rarity. However, if a pair was obviously put back together and worked on, it may sell for a high price yet still not even be particularly desirable. Because the Military pistols almost never stayed together in pairs, extreme scrutiny would be recommended when any pair is found, as these pairs in untouched original condition may be among the rarest of collectibles. 24. Collecting marked arsenal rework examples can again be a theme which will allow a collector with a limited budget to put together a sizable and interesting collection. Here authenticity is often open to question, because by definition, a rework has been worked on and therfore nearly new examples should probably be the ones that you try for, since reworks often have parts changed when the pistol is redone. 25. Collecting only X numbered reworks is a very fascinating theme, as most of these reworks are built from guns that do not match, however it is often clear that these guns have been together for many years. These guns were 7 usually items that were stolen, had the serial numbers defaced and then when the guns were recovered, renumbered with the X prefix number. Some of the later examples are one of a kind and are documented. Thus if one were to want a truly unique pistol, it may be possible to have one of these fill the bill. 26. Collect only duplicate serial numbered pairs. After many years of research and work, Fred Carpenter found actual examples of duplicate serials. These are found in the early WWII production where Ithaca and Remington Rand duplicated the numbers used by Colt. This theme might be ideal for the collector who is not really interested in collecting guns, but looking at them. The chances of finding these pairs are vanishingly small, because the set of pistols that the collector has at his disposal, at any time, is such a small fraction of the total, that the chances of finding the exact duplicate are probably not worth pursuing. (The military added an A suffix to one of the two of each pair that they found with their computers so as to be able to distinguish the two.) 27. Collect only pistols with both commercial and military markings. WWI had pistols with both the commercial and military markings on the slide. These slides are usually referred to as replacement slides because they appear randomly in the higher wartime pistols, and the finish of the slide is usually more of a commercial polish than the frame. WWI 1911 military slides were marked on the right side, just forward of the ejection port with " MODEL OF 1911 U.S. ARMY. " The commercial slides (from which the conversions were taken) were marked " COLT AUTOMATIC CALIBRE 45 " in the same place that the military marking would normally occur. Colt then applied the military marking behind and below the ejection port. The slides were not H proofed over the firing pin stop plate, but were obviously first commercial parts that had the military markings applied later, as the military markings were not in the normal place, but the commercial markings were. The frames were H proofad and marked in the normal manner. The replacement slides of WWII were identical to normal military slides, but marked "M1911A1 U.S. ARMY" on the right side. WWII had the "Commercial to Military Conversions" (from approximately 860000 to approximately 865500), These extraordinary pistols started as complete commercial guns with normal markings. The "GOVERNMENT MODEL" and C prefix serial number on the frame, were obliterated and the "UNITED STATES PROPERTY", "M1911A1 U.S. ARMY" and the military style serial number were applied where they would normally be. The slides have "COLT AUTOMATIC CALIBRE .45" plus the rampant Colt figurine, marked on the right side which would normally be left blank. These pistols also originally had the slide numbered to match the frame, this number too was obliterated, then the military number was applied. These pistols even have the cutouts for the Swartz safety, but do not have the Swartz parts. WWII also had some examples of guns with both commercial and military markings which were probably due to Colt using up leftover parts. Finding these examples could be very challanging, as they appear randomly. 28. Collect only pistols without proofs or acceptance stamps. These examples are sometimes referred to as lunchbox specials, because these guns were often pulled from production before either serials or other marks were applied. Sometimes these pistols were stolen, and sometimes they were pulled from production and were to be used as a presentation piece. Presentation pieces would sometimes have serial numbers which would end in zeros or some other distinctive number. The factory records of these guns would probably be missing. One notable example is serial No. 1666000 which has no proof or acceptance mark, and the factory letter indicates no record of this pistol. You can imagine the anticipation of the worker operating the number stamping machine as he waited (with open lunch box at hand) for this number to come up, only to have the foreman walk up and grab the pistol from his clutches. 29. Collecting only 1911/1911A1 Transition pistols is a rather limited set of variations, but the Transitions include not only the two 1924 variations with their two associated acceptance marks, but the two 1937 variations (with and without the P proofs) as well. (The "Transition" pistol is generally thought of as having 1911A1 features, yet a slide marked "MODEL OF 1911 U.S.ARMY".) Although this set is limited, it would be a very challenging set to complete. 8 30. Collecting only British marked pistols in cal.455 would more or less limit you to the W prefix serial numbered guns and the few early C prefix .455 guns which preceeded the W marked pistols, however there appears to be a rather large number of variations of these guns as the British were not particularly consistent in the manner that they marked these pistols. The unfortunate aspect of these pistols is that most of them seem to have enough scratches and scuffs that they might have been used as grappling hooks, yet they still retain considerable value. For this reason, many of these pistols have been refinished, and therefore pristine examples should be especially scrutinized and more especially by the beginning collector. 31. Collecting only lend lease pistols is another interesting area to collect because the British were not consistent in the manner that they marked these pistols, and there is evidence that the pistols were mixed up (mismatched) by the British when they marked them. Thus there is the potential for a large number of variations, many of which are in excellent condition. 32. Collecting only pistols in .38 Super cal. has already established a strong following. This may be due to the very limited production of these weapons along with their popularity as a target caliber. Be prepared to face stiff competition, and pay high prices for the available examples. 33. Collecting all variations of proof and acceptance marks is, in my opinion, one of the best ways to start collecting, as it gives a broad foundation which can be built on in many ways. 34. Collecting only cutaways, factory and non factory, would be difficult to do with Colt 45s because of the small number of factory examples. This theme may be better as the extention of a general cutaway collection such as that of Joe Schroeder, editor of the Gun Collectors Digest. 35. Collect only contracts to a specific country, such as Canada. This is often such a restrictive theme that it might be better to have this theme as part of a more general collection, such as "The Military Pistols of Canada." Some countries such as Argentina have a larger number of variations, and there the collector might feel less restricted. 36. Collect only examples made in a specific year, such as: your birth year, Mil, Comm, Foreign, National Match, ACE, .38 Super, etc. This theme can be an extraordinarily interesting challenge, as everything that you collect has a personal touch, and each time that you make an acquisition, it is as if you added something else to your person. If however, you were born in the wrong year, you may find that not very many guns were made that year. For example, between 1924 and 1937 no Colt .45 AUTO Militaries were made. 37. Collect only 1911 Commercials. There is a lot of appeal to the high polish blued finish of these pistols. This alone is enough to tempt someone to collect them, or at least to have a few represenative examples. 38. Collect only 1911A1 Commercials. The blued finish of the 1920-1930 commercials has its own special type of appeal. The blue is duller than the very early 1911's, however it has color similar to cobalt glass, and is really extraordinarily beautiful. 39. Collect only Swartz Safety equipped examples. The Swartz safety equipped pistols are some of the most desirable and rarer examples, as there were only a small number made, and it is the only functional modification made to the Colt .45 AUTO pistol (See article: "The Just Barely Prewar Colt .45 AUTOs"" Automag Volume XXII pp.93-98, August 1989). These pistols have a lot going for them; their biggest drawback is the relatively limited number of variations. 40. Collect only Service Model ACE pistols. One facinating aspect of ACE pistols is that despite the small number made, it appears that there were 9 five inspectors,(CSR, RS, WB, GHD, and JSB) all of which are quite scarce. 41. Collect only AMU (Army Marksmanship Unit) pistols. This is a rather limited and specialized theme, because even though there were a relatively large number of variations, the documentation on them is sketchy at best. 42. Collect only post WWII commercials. These pistols have the cost cutting refinements developed in the war (flatside hammer and plastic grips) and are usually considered less appealing than the prewar pistols, however they have their own appeal. For example, the Coltwood (plastic) grips were used for only a short time and are quite scarce. Collecting only postwar pistols has the advantage that the collector may actually be able to find enough "new in the box" examples to satisfy himself. This is also a fairly new area in which to collect, competition may not be so stiff, and there is a lot of information on these pistols which needs to be documented. Sub catagories of postwar pistols include: 1946-1969 production, series 70, series 80, and series 90. 43. Collect only Engraved pistols, Factory and nonfactory. Engraved pistols, especially factory engraved examples, are not only very rare, but are very high priced, yet a non factory engraved pistol will seldom return the cost of the engraving. Engraving does not appeal to everyone. This collection theme is not for everyone. 44. Collect only rigs (guns with matching leather). This is not an exact process since leather and pistols did not always go together in matched sets. Being close is about as good as you can do with WWI pistols, and you seldom even know if you are close with WWII pistols. 45. Collect only pre-production examples (prototypes, pilot runs, etc.) These pistols are extremely rare and are usually beyond the reach of most collectors. If one should be lucky enough to stumble onto one of these, it would make a respectable collection in itself, however the chances of finding another are now vanishingly small. 46. Collect only pistols documented as having seen specific service. Unless the theme is Army or Navy pistols, the number of examples to collect will be very limited. Only documented examples, in contrast to a good story, should command a premium price. 47. Collect uniquely marked examples such as inscribed or unit marked. Pistols in this catagory are generally unique, but since anything goes, one would have to be very wary of fakery. 48. Collect examples as they strike your fancy with the hope that a theme for the collection will present itself. While this is a lot of fun (the kid in the candy store effect), it is a quick way to the poorhouse. Establishing a collection which will maintain interest usually requires discipline. 49. Collect only leather, accesories, and related items, such as Squad cleaning kits, shipping boxes, catalogs, manuals, take down tools, storage racks, ammunition, factory tools, roll dies, parts, documentation, serial number data, production records, and of course stories, both written and oral. Many people who for one reason or another do not collect pistols, find their field here. This theme makes a natural partner to almost any serious pistol collection, and most collectors augment their collection with these items. The biggest problem with these items is their lack of documentation. Outright fakery can be responsible for the existence of some items. (I remember a matched set of Luger front sight adjusting tools residing on an old wood stand that looked as if it was snatched from the DWM factory as a war souvenir. After considerable time, however, it became clear from the twinkle in the owners eye, the pride he took in the design of the device, and certain statements, that he had made a bunch of them up himself, and there probably never was such a thing as a "set of three" tools.) 10 50. Collecting only NAVY marked pistols might appeal to someone with a Navy background, or someone with a family member who served in the Navy, or just someone who feels that there is something special about these NAVY marked guns. The Navy pistols are much rarer than the Army marked pistols, as only about 15,075 were made compared to over 600,000 Armys. It is rather obvious that the Navy had more than 15,075 pistols issued to it, however only the early guns were distinctively marked, and are therefore especially sought after and collectible. 51. Collecting only Commemoratives might appeal to someone who wants to know exactly what he is getting. The Commemoratives are usually only desirable when they are unfired and new in the box, therefore the only question that you must ask is: "Is it new, unfired, and complete?". The disadvantages of these guns are obvious: you cannot shoot them. Examples of Commemoratives are: The 4 pistol WWI set, the 2 pistol WWII set, the NRA centennial .45 Gold Cup/National Match, and the Jimmy Lile "Lone Wolf" Gonzaullas Commemorative. 52. Collect Clones. There have been early manufacturers which have made copies of the .45 Auto that have gone out of business, and their pistols are now collectable, examples include: Drake; GH Gun Co., San Antonio Texas; Ranger Machine Tool Co., South El Monte Ca.; Day Arms Co.; San Col Mar Industries; and Quality Hardware and Machine Co. 53. Collecting Reblues, mismatches, imports, junkers, shooters and anything unusual might be perfect for the person who loves guns, but has little money and less patience. The advantage of this catagory is that for the same money that a collectable gun would cost, you might be able to buy four or five of these and have fun playing with and shooting them. 54. Collect any combination of these catagories. The total number of combinations of these catagories is so large a number that no one should feel that there is nothing left to collect which is new. Collect what gives you satisfaction. HISTORY M1911/M1911A1s perhaps more than other pistols are identified by serial numbers. The serial numbers, with a few exceptions which will be covered later, go consecutively from 1 to 2693613. Perhaps the first thing that should be noticed about a gun is the serial, because the serials were applied consistently and in numerical order, and any changes that Colt and the other manufacturers made generally followed the numerical sequence. The first exception is the contract given to The Remington Union Metalic Cartridge Company in WWI for 21676 guns, which had its own serial number range allocated. These numbers ran from 1 to 21676. However, since the markings of these guns were so distinctive, there should be no ambiguity or confusion between these Remington UMC guns and the Colt guns with like serial numbers. The second exception to the sequential numbering came in the 1943 production of the M1911A1 where Colt appears to have duplicated the serial numbers assigned to Remington Rand, Ithaca, and The Union Switch And Signal Co. between approximately 856037 and 1096404. (See Fred Carpenters article: "M1911A1 PISTOLS Duplication and the A-Suffix" in the May 1986 issue of The Gun Report.) The last exception to the sequential numbering is a series of guns which were lost, or stolen, and had the serial numbers altered, defaced, or removed. During the period 4-24-24 to 10-15-53, as the guns were recovered, new numbers were applied by Springfield Armory. These numbers ran from: X1000 to X4385 and thus duplicated the first Colt production, but had an X prefix on the number. Starting in approximately 1948 other Arsenals also rebuilt and renumbered stolen pistols untill about 1957. The serial numbers of these pistols ran from X2693614 to X2695212. Here however there was no duplication of numbers, as these numbers started where the M1911A1 numbers ended. A list of the serial numbers could therefore identify any particular example as to being part of a subgroup with readily identifiable markings 11 and characteristics, and will tell you almost all that there is to know about the way that the gun should look. In May 1986 Dave Buehn published what is still the best list of serial numbers and associated comments with regard to changes, markings, dates, and characteristics. Dave promises to publish a new version of this list in AUTOMAG as soon as his booklet is published. I will not attempt to duplicate his effort here. However, what I will present is a thumbnail sketch of the variations as they progress through the number sequence. What follows is a summary of the most notable markings and characteristics of the M1911/M1911A1: Colt manufactured pistols were accepted and stamped by Walter G. Penfield from number 1 through approximately number 100 with the WGP stamp horizontal, and then with the WGP stamp vertical through number 72570 where Springfield Armory made their first batch of (11285) pistols. These Springfield pistols were marked with a flaming bomb on the slide and frame. The first 500 pistols were marked "MODEL OF 1911 U.S.ARMY" on the slide and the second 500 were marked "MODEL OF 1911 U.S.NAVY" on the slide. For about the first 14,000 pistols, the shipments alternated back and forth between the Army and the Navy with a small batch (3501 through 3800) going to the U.S.Marine Corps. These U.S.M.C. pistols had ARMY marked slides. Of these first 14,000 pistols, 7,000 were NAVY marked. Three more batches of Navy marked pistols were made: 38001 through 44000 (6,000), 95976 through 97550 (1,575), and 109501 through 110000 (500). All of the first 7,000 Navy marked pistols and the pistols between approximately 42000 and 44000 had a circled horse at the rear of the slide. The corresponding Army marked pistols only had the circled horse through approximately 20000. The uncircled horse was moved to the center of the slide at about No.275000. The 95976 through 97550 pistols were shipped to the U.S. Marine Corps. and were the only "NAVY" marked pistols sent to the U.S.M.C. The 109501 through 110000 (500) pistols, in addition to being the last "NAVY" marked batch, are the only GHS inspected NAVY, and the only NAVY inspected by anyone other than WGP. With a total production of only 15075 pistols the NAVY is one of the most highly prized of all the M1911s, while some of the more distinctive batches are especially sought after. The U.S.M.C. pistols, while being even rarer than the NAVYs, are in no way distinguishable from a common ARMY marked pistol except for the serial number, and will probably be less sought after than the NAVY marked pistols. The 95976 through 97550 batch is another story, being both navy marked and U.S.M.C. issued. After the interuption for Springfield production, WGP was again stamped on Colt pistols from number 83856 through approximately number 100000, where subsequent Colt guns were accepted by Gilbert H. Stewart (GHS). There were three more batches of Springfield pistols. Their serial numbers were interlaced with the serials of the Colt produced guns. These batches of Springfields ran from 102597 to 107596, from 113497 to 120566, and from 125587 to approximately 127890. The numbers from 127891 through 133186 were originally assigned to Springfield Armory, but the guns are clearly of Colt manufacture, they lack the normal Colt proofmarks and acceptance stamps, and are a highly desirable variation. Gilbert H. Stewart continued to inspect Colt pistols till approximately 230000, when John M. Gilbert took over, and continued till approximately 302000. Here wartime production apparently got into full swing and the inspectors cartouche was replaced with an eagle's head with a number below it. This continued through the end of the M1911 production. 629500 was the last M1911 produced. There was no apparent duplication at any time during which the 1911 pistols were made. In 1918 a contract was given to the Remington Union Metalic Cartridge Co. of Bridgeport Conn. to produce the M1911 pistol. In 1918 Remington UMC delivered 13252, and in 1919 they delivered 8524 pistols. At this time there were no complete official ordnance gages or drawings and interchangability of parts was achieved by Colt and Remington working together closely. These pistols had an eagle proof with the initials E.E.C. (E.E. Chapman) on the frame and an E proof on the mainspring housing, grip safety, and slide (above the firing pin stop plate). Some pistols had an eagle, identical to the frame proof but smaller, as the slide proof. Colt 1911s had an H as the slide proof, which was also stamped above the firing pin stop plate. The barrels of UMC guns had a P proof on top that was visible through the 12 ejection port. The finish of these guns was a coarse brushed texture with an almost black finish. At the beginning of the wartime production, Colt apparently did some experimenting with the finish of the guns, as the pistols 1n the 300000 to 375000 range generally have a well polished finish, but a blue that is quite soft. Many guns in this range have little or no finish, especially on the grip straps. Later pistols have a coarser brushed finish with an almost black color. The magazines of WWI pistols are all "two-tone" with the lower 3/5 blued, and the upper 2/5 bare metal. Pistols up to about 215000 have magazines with a lanyard loop on the bottom, and there are at least four variations of these: The earliest are almost certainly the ones with the stepped bottom where the tubing, which forms the sides, does not go all the way to the bottom of the baseplate. The second version may be the so called "keyhole" mag. which has a hole and slot punched in its rear upper wall. This slot may have been to stop the cracking in the upper rear corners of the magazine where it was brazed to form the cartridge feed lips. The third lanyard loop version has a plane bottom and plain back. This is almost certainly the last version as it is by far the most common. The first two are usually seen in early pistols. The Keyhole version may have been a temporary attempt to solve some problem, and it may have been a temporary modification to the third type as well since it is quite similar in finish. The finish of the military magazines was a brushed blue, and the commercials were identical but highly polished. The early commercials may have never had the first two types of magazines. Springfield made Pistols had magazines with a lanyard loop and sides which wrapped over the bottom and were brazed to it. There was a copper spot on the upper rear, the exact purpose of which is unknown. Through at least the first 3500 pistols (probably more), the barrels had a horizontal H with serifs as a proof on the back of the barrel hood, along with a number stamped on the barrel in front of the lug. This H is identical to the H stamped on the slide above the firing pin stop plate. Sometime after, the horizontal H with serifs was changed to a vertical H without serifs at about the same time that the slide proof was changed to a vertical H without serifs. I believe that this continues through at least serial number 13571. For some time the accepted "facts" were that the H marked barrels should be in pistols only through serial No. 500. I suspect that many an untouched gun has had its correct barrel removed and thrown out because of the common notion that these barrels were used only through serial number 500, and that thereafter all barrels had the P H proof on the top. (Is it not a sad state of affairs when guns owned by collectors are almost always suspect because of the parts swappers out there who have to make their guns "CORRECT"?) There is however, considerable question as to when the H marking was changed to the later P H marking. But all later Colt M1911 militaries appear to have a P H proof on the top of the barrel. The earlier P H marked barrels had the P and H separated by approximately 0.2", where as on the later barrels, the P and H were touching. All M1911s had checkered walnut grips with large diamonds around the grip screws. The grips made by Springfield had slightly larger diamonds around the grip screws. Below about No. 510000, all militaries should be marked "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" on the left front of the frame, and above 510000 the marking should be on the right rear above the serial number. After WWI several changes in the M1911 were approved and it was decided to change the designation of the gun to M1911A1, and any M1911A1 production would start at No. 700001. A detailed list of the characteristics of pistols manufactured between WWI and WWII was published recently in Automag, (see article: "The Just Barely prewar Colt 1911A1 Military" Automag Volume XXII pp.#93-98, March 1990.) and will not be duplicated here, but again I will present a sketch of the period. In 1924 a contract was given for 10,000 pistols (apparently to try out the changes to the M1911 that had been approved) which were numbered from 700001 to 710000. These pistols still had the M1911 slide marking and are referred to as Transitions. No other militaries were made until 1937 when 13 2349 pistols numbered 710001 through 712349 were made. At 710001 Colt started numbering the slide (under the firing pin stop plate) to match the frame, which Colt continued till about No. 1138000, at about which time, they changed from the milled trigger to the stamped version. The last known numbered slide is 1137712. At 710001 Colt also started to mark the left front triggerguard bow with the Verified proof stamp which they had used on commercial pistols from the start. There are at least two variations in the markings of this batch. 1938 saw the production of only 1296 pistols numbered 712350 through 713645. There are again at least two variations in the markings of this 1939 batch. In 1939, 3636 pistols were produced, and numbered 713646 through 717281, all went to the U.S.NAVY. All pistols seem to be marked identically with an HP proof. The HP proof probably carried over into 1940, but was shortly replaced by the cartouche of Maj. Charles S. Reed (C.S.R.), who inspected pistols from about 717725 through 723000. Shipments of the C.S.R. inspected pistols carried over into early 1941 when Robert Sears (who inspected guns from about 723000 through 750500) took over. At this point the pistols still had a blued finish and walnut grips. Very soon the walnut grips were replaced by plastic, (probably in the beginning of the R.S. period) and shortly thereafter the finish was changed to parkerizing (probably about 736000). Still in 1941, Robert Sears was replaced by Waldemar Broberg (WB), who inspected guns from approximately 750500, through approximately 856100, and took the Colt guns through the end of 1942. The last lot of pistols which were sent directly to the U.S.NAVY ran from No.793658 to No.797641 (3982). The educational contract to the Singer Mfg. Co. ran from S800001 to S800500 (500). The educational contract to the Harrington and Richardson Co. was assigned numbers from H800501 to H801000. The contract was cancelled and pistols with these numbers should not exist. Numbers from 856101 to 856404 were assigned to arsenals for renumbering of pistols and little is known of this group, or indeed if they even exist. Early in 1943 part of Colts production (from about 860000 to 865500) consisted of commercial guns which were re-marked with military numbers and had the military markings added, then parkerized. These pistols retain the commercial slide markings and the Swartz Safety cut-outs in the slides and frames. (See article: " The Just Barely prewar Colt .45 AUTOs"" Automag Volume XXII pp.#93-98, August 1989.) In the last part of 1942, Ithaca Gun Co. shipped its first batch of pistols 856404 through 856464, which marked the first of the pistols whose serial numbers were apparently duplicated by The Colt Co. At least some of these first Ithaca pistols were numbered with an I prefix to the number. Very little is known about these early Ithaca pistols, due to their extreme scarcity, but there is evidence that Ithaca was also given an educational contract as was Singer, whose pistols were numbered with an S prefix. It appears that in 1943 Colt duplicated the serial numbers of the Ithaca Gun Co., from 856405 through 916404; the serial numbers of the Remington Rand Co., from 916405 through 958100; and the serial numbers of the Union Switch and Signal Co., from 1088726 through 1092896. The early Remington Rand pistols (from 916405 through approximately 928000) are probably the most interesting Remingtons, as they have parts, finish, and marking which are very different from the later production (see article:" Early Remington Rand and Ithaca Small Parts" Automag Volume XXIII pp.#136-140, Sept. 1990). The later Remingtons have two slide marking variations where the size of the lettering was reduced. The Union Switch and signal Co. of Swissvale Pa., was given a contract to make M1911A1s, but the contract was cancelled after they had delivered 55000 pistols numbered 1041405 through 1096404. The top of the slide is P proofed on later pistols (after about 1060000), the first P proofed pistols may be P proofed on the left rear upper edge of the slide. The inspector stamp on these pistols is R.C.D. (R.C. Downie). 1943 saw the beginning of WWII mass production, as more pistols were made that year than in the entire WWI period. When production was underway few changes appear to have been made to the pistols. Production ended in 1945, with many of the assigned numbers at the end of the sequence never having been made due to contract cancelations. Colt Pistols were inspected by Guy H. Drewry from about 856100 to 14 2360000 (Colt only made a fraction of the pistols in this range), after this John S. Breen took over and inspected pistols to about 2380000. Some of the Colt produced pistols around 2360000 have no inspector stamp at all. (2366848 has no stamp.) The Pistols made by both The Ithaca Gun Co. and Remington Rand Co. were inspected under the authority of Frank J. Atwood (FJA). The Quartermaster Corps wheel was added to Colt pistols about No. 830000 The barrels of late Colt pistols have a C in a box cartouche marked on the barrel lug, whereas early Colts have barrels marked "COLT .45 AUTO" on the underside of the barrel. Barrels for Remington Rand, Ithaca, and Union Switch and Signal Co. should probably be marked HS (High Standard). Magazines for wartime production M1911A1 pistols should have an all blued finish with a letter stamped on the upper surface of the tongue plate (S, R, L, or possibly G). Magazines for prewar Colt M1911A1s should probably be fully blued and have a brushed finish with "COLT .45 AUTO" stamped on the bottom. The transition pistols (1924) may have magazines that are: two tone, all blue, or all blued with "COLT .45 AUTO" stamped on the bottom. The record here, is very muddy due to the parts swappers. The grip panels of pistols starting at 700001 are probably fully checkered walnut with a coarse checkered pattern that usually appears to be slightly thin in texture, and definitely not sharp. These grips are identical to the grips on the commercial pistols of the period. At least two sources of replacement grips have been available for some time, so extreme care must be excercised in observing these grip panels. These grips continue untill the 72xxxx serial range where they change to the plastic grips of WWII. The exact point of change has not been precisely determined. Colt Commercial .45 Auto pistols were first shipped in 1912 as were the militaries. The first commercial and military pistols were both finished with a high polished blue, which was objected to by the military for reasons that are only too obvious, and was changed to a dull blue on the militaries at about serial number 2400. These first commercial pistols were finished in a mirror polish deep blue black, together with small parts finished in a bright peacock blue, which is often referred to as "Fire Blue". By about serial number C5000, the finish had changed to a blue gray color, which was still mirror polished, but the small parts also had changed to a darker blue gray rather than the spectacular peacock blue. Any of these early pistols are highly prized when found in original condition, although few are found that way. The Highly polished finish of the Government model changed to a duller but more blue color at a later date, but when this was done has not been precisely determined. Just before the 1911A1 changes were incorporated in the commercials, Colt started numbering the slide under the firing pin stop plate. The earliest known numbered Government Model is C129471, which still has walnut grips with the large double diamonds around the grip screws. Sometime later the grips were changed to solid checkering with no diamonds. At about the same time the magazine was changed to solid blue. Around C186000 the Swartz safety was added to the Government Models and National Match pistols, however, it was apparently not added to the foreign contract pistols of the same period. This makes the Swartz Safety equipped pistols very rare, again because the foreign purchases accounted for most of Colts production. By WWII Colt had made just over 200,000 commercial Government Models and National Match pistols. Most of the 200,000 were foriegn contracts; the largest contract was to the Russian Government for 50,000 pistols in 1915. Bill Goddard states that for the 1911 design, the 11 largest contracts alone accounted for 83,444 out of the total of 138,541 produced. Other countries that placed orders include: Mexico, England, Peru, Canada, India, France, Norway, Argentina, philippines, Netherlands, Guatemala,China, Brazil, South Africa, Chili, and Canal Zone. The commercial .45s have less variations than the militaries, and Colt was probably less consistent with the commercials in the phaseing in and out of the various production changes. Many of the changes which were instituted into the commercial pistols were a result of changes which started with the military pistols. For example the change from the 1911 to 15 the 1911A1. Since Colt was probably less consistent in implementing these changes in the commercials, they do not fall into as neat groups as do the militaries, and are consequently not as interesting to some collectors. There may be another group of collectors who find this characteristic irresistible, just as some men find women with red hair to be irresistible. Collectors of commercials will more quickly run the risk of collecting themselves into a corner than will the collector of militaries because there are less commercial variations to collect, and those variations are more subtle and less consistent. WHAT TO DO! Most of the axioms which are true for other gun collecting fields, are true for the 1911 .45: Always buy the best examples which you can afford. This can be a painful lesson for the beginner, for you can almost always sell the very best guns, but you may have a lot of trouble finding someone who is interested in a gun in less than pristine shape. A hard learned rule could be: Never pay more for a gun than you could sell it for. I regularly break this rule. Really super condition guns are becomming harder and harder to find, and when they are found, their prices are often much higher than they are worth, and sometimes the collector will go many years before finding an example to fill that hole in the collection, but when that example is finally found, it might have almost no finish. Should you buy this example, with the intention of upgrading it later when a really pristine example comes along? Again the hard learned rule is that you cannot sell a gun for more than another collector is willing to pay for it. If you buy a rare gun with almost no finish you will find that most collectors will have little interest in it unless the price is that of a shooter. If you use the ads of the national dealers as price guides and expect to sell guns at these prices, you will probably be disappointed when you try, because most of the sales from these ads come from collectors that are either isolated and do not have access to gun shows, are beginning collectors and have not tried to sell any of their guns, or are wood-work collectors who do not have enough exposure to realistically assess the selling price of collector guns. Most of the time these ads show guns with little finish at prices which approach the prices of pristine examples. This is of course what the gun dealers would wish everyone to believe, that is: rare guns are worth much more than common guns irrespective of how much original finish they have, or if they have some other defect. It simply isn't so. The only way that you can sell guns at the prices shown in the ads of the national dealers is if you have access to the same isolated audience as does the dealer who sends out a mailer to an isolated and loyal clientele. Even then the dealer has a lot more trouble selling not so good guns as he does with pristine guns. You might womder why you almost never see really great guns advertised (rare guns in pristine condition). The reason is that these guns are sold before they ever reach the published catalog, and what is seen is only a part of the action, as in watching a ballgame through a hole in the fence. Dealers have lists of people with specific wants who will usually pay premium prices for their wants, again you do not have access to these buyers. Threfore there is nothing wrong with buying a gun with little finish, as long as the selling price is realistically assessed, and this selling price will probably be little more than a shooter. Someday as rare guns get rarer, the prices of these well worn examples will go up, but this will only happen as the number of collectors goes up, and you may be dead and gone, when and if it happens. Most of the examples in my collection are well worn and are far from pristine, in fact I could not have afforded to buy pristine examples, but now I have something to satisfy myself with untill I find the example with more finish. A collection of not so pristine guns will enable someone with modest means to have a collection which has historical significance and continuity. Collecting only pristine examples would almost exclude continuity for most people of modest means, which is most people. Always buy examples with original finish. A rare gun which has been reblued will always be a shooter and worth little more than a shooter. However if you do not pay more than a shooter price for it, you will probably not loose anything. 16 Always buy examples that are all original. Do not assume that because a defect is not important to you that some future buyer will not care. If you do wish to buy a gun with a defect, realistically assess the effect of the defect on the selling price and your ability to find a buyer. Always buy examples that are unaltered and unmodified. Any alterations done to a pistol waves a red flag to any prospective buyer who will suspect any and all possible fakery to have been done. Any rework must be explicitly documented for it to be considered "factory done." Assume that any rework is nonfactory unless it is documented. Oral claims mean nothing, especially when it comes time to sell the gun. If you do wish to buy a gun that has been modified, realistically assess the effect of the modification on the selling price and your ability to find a buyer. Always closely examine the exterior for signs of rework, refinishing, abuse, parts swapping, scratches, cold blue, magazine marking, sights,and grip-screws. Always at least field strip the pistol to check the correctness, condition, and marking of the barrel, and inside marking of the frame. Always check the weapon for correct functioning. You may not even consider shooting a super rare gun, but if any part of it is broken or missing, most other collectors would consider it to be a serious defect, and you would have trouble selling the gun when it becomes necessary to do so, and you may still wish to buy the gun, but you can perhaps get a lower price. WHAT NOT TO DO!! Never buy a gun through the mail unless you are absolutely certain what the finish should look like on an original .45 of the period. Because when you receive the pistol for your three day examination, it may look fine. and the dealer who is selling it may tell you that it has the original finish. But once the three days are up, the gun is yours. And later when someone knowledgeable looks at it and informs you that it has been refinished, you are then really stuck with it, since you now know that it isn't correct. Never buy a gun through the mail unless you are absolutely certain that you know what the smallparts, sights, grips, and barrel look like and how they are marked on a correct .45. Because if you do not know what they should look like, then it is only a matter of time until you are bamboozled by a predator. Never buy a gun through the mail unless you have seen the finish of a similar original gun. The more examples examined, the better. Never buy a gun unless you closely examine the grip screws, and the magazine catch for signs of restoration. These screw heads are actually one of the most telling signs of tampering, because on a military pistol at least, the grips are almost always removed by some GI or some GI Armorer, and the proper hollow ground screwdriver is seldom at hand. The result is that most pistols have screws that show some abuse, and the type of abuse that is normally seen is quite apparent. The grip screws that appear to show no sign of abuse should probably be examined most carefully under a magnifier. It is really quite difficult to rework the head of a gripscrew and not leave signs of tampering. When seen under a magnifier, the edges of the slot should be sharp with no sign of pitting. The toolmarks in the rounded portion of the surface should be completely circular, as when they were cut on a lathe. There should be no sign of parallel cuts or oblique contours. These are signs of handfiling and are obvious signs of rework. The width of the slot of all four screws should be the same and correct. Too wide a slot indicates rework. Most replacement screws either show signs of burrs on the edges, or show signs of rounding of the edges when they were deburred. The notion is 17 then if rework of any type is spotted, then the whole gun must be suspect. Never buy a gun unless you closely examine the area surrounding the take-down pins for signs of restoration, as many guns have bungs around the pin where the take down tool slipped. Never buy a gun without removing the grips to examine the finish underneath, and to check the grip screw bushings for stripping, breakage, and looseness (signs of restoration or abuse). Never buy a gun unless you examine the gun in light that resembles sunlight. Incandescent has a lot of red in it, which tends to hide rust and beneath the surface rusting, mottling, and discoloration. Never buy a gun unless you know what the magazine for that particuluar gun should look like and how it should be marked. Because while the lack of a proper magazine may not be seen as a great drawback, finding a proper magazine that exactly matches the finish of the gun in question is another matter, and may perhaps involve considerable expense. Never hesitate to ask questions, because the answer to a question can tell you whether or not someone is blowing smoke more quickly than listening to hours of prepared bull. You will soon find that most of the dealers who occasionally sell .45s are very nice people, have a knowledgeable air about them, will not hesitate to speak authoritatively about .45s and any other gun that they have for sale, but are almost completely ignorant of the finer points regarding these pistols. Dealers who sell pistols are generally not collectors of what they sell, and if they are, what they are selling is what they need to get rid of. Therefore there may be something that is wrong with it, and don't expect the dealer to tell you why he is selling it. In the final analysis, it is up to you to determine the correctness of the gun, because once you buy it, you are stuck with it, and if you pay too much for the gun and want to sell it, you will have to take a lot less for it, or you will have to be more dishonest than the merchant who sold it to you, and you will probably find that he is better at it than you are. How do I get smart? First be skeptical of anything that you hear, read, or are told. Things must make sense to you, because it is ultimately you who must make the buy/don't buy decision, and you who will be stuck with the gun if it isn't correct. Memorize the serial number lists. Always carry a copy of the best serial list that you have. With 1911/1911A1s, the serial number tells you most of what you need to know about what the particuluar gun should look like. If you do not know what the pistol should look like, you can be sold anything. Look at as many guns as possible. Go to the gun shows. If possible, travel to the big gun shows, especially the ones where individual collections are displayed. Take a magnifier with you. Look closely at the fine detail of the finish, etc. Ask questions. Ask yourself: Do the answers make sense? If there is something fishy about the answers, is the guy just ignorant or is he a crook? When someone says that he doesn't know the answer to your question, don't write him off as a big dummy and then go find someone else who will tell you what you want to hear. If you find yourself wanting to hear a specific answer or story, then you are not yet to the point where you can make objective decisions. When you are anything less than willing to let the facts speak for themselves, you will probably color any results which may be arrived at. "I don't know," is a perfectly good answer to many questions related to guns. Gun collectors generally try to discover the history that relates to their particular interest, but the whole story is almost never known, especially when the question "why" is asked. There are very few times that I can 18 remember when the "why" was ever fully answered, largely because the "whys" are almost never written down. I can remember many occasions when I was asked "why did they do this" or "why did they do that" and when I say "I don't know" I can see the hurt look on their faces, and I know that they are going to go on to someone else who will give them a good story, and eventually they will find someone with the correct line of bull that will satisfy them. This type of person is what the salesman uses for cannon fodder. Never forget that gun dealers are, above all else--salesmen, and salesmen are masters at psychology, and you probably aren't. Purge the emotions, and stick to the facts. Just the facts. Find another gun collector who has more experience than you do in .45 autos. Try and help him and he will probably help you. If someone is a real hardnose and will not help you, then keep looking Most gun collectors are good people. Read as much as you can about the areas you are interested in. You will find that you don't have to know very much in order to know more than most people. Keep a notebook that you can carry with you to gun shows, and write down the serial numbers of anything even vaguely interesting. Read Bill Goddard's and Bady's books. Bady is by now pretty dated, but it makes interesting material for discussion. Try to find a copy of Frank Gregg's .45 collectors guide. It's still the best introduction for the beginner. Write letters to the collectors who contribute to AUTOMAG. Ask if they know any .45 collectors in your area. Ask all the dealers at gun shows if they know of anyone who collects .45 AUTOs in the area. A fellow collector is the best resource that you can find. Arrange to meet a fellow collector at gun shows. Talk over what you see. If you can find a fellow collector who will allow you to examine his collection, ask questions and listen. Try to get old copies of AUTOMAG and read them all. When you see something that seems odd or strange, first talk to all the collectors you know, then dig through all the reference material that you have at your disposal. If you are not satisfied, write in your question to AUTOMAG. Do not be discouraged by the "stern schoolmasterly response" that you may occasionally get. Keep thinking, and keep asking questions. Try to keep in your head the differences in finish that original Colt guns had as the years progressed. Try to keep clear the differences between the finish of the military examples and the commercial examples. The very early guns, in original condition, are so rare that you may never see one until one is offered for sale at a very high price. The questions that face you are multi faceted. Since the gun is very rare, it is very expensive, but is it very correct? A gun that will bring a lot of money is also a gun that someone would be willing to put a lot of effort into restoring. For if the money that he puts into the gun can be more than made up, he will still be further ahead if he cheats you. The more that you pay for a gun, the more that you can lose. It seems then that there is for any type of gun, a maximum price that you should pay. This price relates to the amount that it would cost to restore (phoney up) the gun to the state that it is in, and when the cost of a gun exceeds this amount, then you must be at least that much more sure of the gun's authenticity. Because if you are wrong, and the gun has been altered by a dishonest person, you will be stuck with the loss. This must be so, because if you are an honest person, you will not be willing to cheat someone else just because you were cheated. Dealing in guns or dealing in horses is a lot like politics; if you want to be successful, you had better be prepared to get some dirt on you. This does not say that a collector cannot remain scrupulously honest-- far from it. However, if you intend to profit by the enterprise of collecting, you will be competing with a lot of very experienced horse traders. For example, there are a lot of people who specialize in going to all the gun shows, with the intention of finding a gun that has been messed with; buying it for a bargain price; fixing it up by changing parts; swapping parts; buying a few reproduction parts; "putting the sights back the way they were", tossing on a set of repro. grips; and adding a touch of cold blue here and there, and then selling it while representing it as an original piece. You may think that "so and so" would never do a thing like that because he is a really nice guy. But being a nice guy is the "stock in trade" of a confidence man, and it is really 19 amazing how flexible some people's principles become when it comes to making a buck. Often people who engage in this type of activity will be quite candid when they are "off the record," furthermore, most seem to have completely convinced themselves that these are laudable practices and that they are not doing anything wrong. This is not moralizing, but simply an attempt to indicate the very remarkable similarities between gun collecting and walking through a mine field. With both you stand an uncomfortably large chance of getting hurt if you rush in where someone with experience fears to tread. To be of any value to a collector, a gun generally must have the original finish as applied by the factory. If you expect to buy a pistol with the original finish you must know, or be able to determine what the original finish looked like (you must form a mental picture of a "standard" .45 AUTO of the same period), and determine whether the example in question looks like the standard. There are scientific methods which can be used to compare one physical parameter of two guns, however these methods are not available to the collector at a gun show, and even if they were, a correct standard is essential for this method to provide useful results, and there the problem lies. The only practical method of arriving at a standard is to look at and remember a large number of pistols. This not only takes a lot of time, effort, travel, mental effort, expense, and patience, but also the methodology does not guarantee success, for it is ultimately your skill against the crooks. Probably the most reasonable benchmark of whether a gun is likely to be faked is the price that the particuluar variation sells for. If the gun is a very rare variation such as an N.R.A. marked Colt, where presumably less than 100 were produced, the gun might sell for over $2000. Where as a normal Colt in the same serial range, and in the same condition, might sell for $750. Here there is a big incentive for the crook to have the gun marked, and probably the biggest danger is that the gun is an outright fake, instead of simply been messed with. The unmarked gun that is in the proper serial range, has the potential for being the victim of a faker, but if he messed it up, the faker would try to cover up the fakery by more rework and sell the unmarked gun as original. You must therefore, always be alert to any hint of something being wrong or unusual. When something unusual is found, the next step is to determine whether the unusual characteristic is an original variation, done at the factory, a functional modification, done by the military, or simply the work of some devious or unscrupulous mechanic. Once a gun has had the slide or frame modified or altered, the gun ceases to have any significant collector value. Some collectors carry this to the extreme, and even consider pistols with an individuals name stamped on them to have been violated. You therfore must keep in mind that the value of an item in your collection has two prices: One price is what the gun is worth to you not to sell it, and the other price is what the gun can be sold for to someone else. Whenever you buy a gun with some defect or irregularity (and most guns have some sort of defects flaws or irregularities,) you must never forget about the day when you may have to sell the gun. For as long as you keep the pistol; it doesn't matter what it is worth when you sell it. The only thing that does matter is what it is worth to you. Once you have to sell the gun it doesn't matter what it is worth to you, only what someone else is willing to pay for it. If you dismiss or over look a defect when you purchase the gun, it may someday come back to haunt you. One of the most powerful motivations, in the field of gun collecting however, is the anticipation of the thrill of finding that here-to-fore unknown and facinating variation. Am I looking at a here-to-fore new variation, or am I looking at a defect? When something unusual is found, you seldom have adequate time to analyze the specimen, nor do you have all the proper reference books that might be necessary to understand what it is that you are looking at. Ultimately, each time that you make a decision as to buying a gun, you are on your own, and it is always your skill against the skill of the other guys. The maximum price that is paid for a collectable item should be inversely proportional to the number that are available and to the number 20 that were made. Sometimes the number made and the number available differ so widely that there doesn't seem to be any relationship between the two. A good example is the pistols made under the Russian contract. The total made amounted to almost half of the 1911 Government models and one quarter of the entire pre WWII production, yet the number observed seems to be quite low, and the price that they bring is usually over $2000. If there any significant number of these guns stashed away in warehouses somewhere in Siberia, they might be released for sale to the world gun market at any time that the Russian Government needs storage space or foreign currency. At present the United States of America is about the only country that allows the importation of surplus firearms, and it is likely that these guns would show up here. One result would be that the selling price of the existing Russian contract pistols would drop dramatically, and might remain low for a considerable time. The chances are that most of the pistols that would show up would be in rough shape as are the Broomhandles that we now see. However the price of even prime pre-import brooms is now much lower than it was before the Chinese brooms started appearing. The price that is paid for any foreign contract pistol should reflect the number made, and if a premium price is paid, based on apparent scarcity, then that equity may be in jeopardy, and be subject to the whim of some foreign bureaucrat. The foreign contract guns, while very interesting from a technical point of view, must be considered somewhat speculative from an investment perspective, and extreme caution used when comtemplating the purchase of one of the high priced examples. If you are the type of person who wants to use his American Express Card for all his purchases because you expect someone else to take the responsibility for all your actions, even if, as the television ads show, you destroy or break an item through common negligence, then you probably should not consider gun collecting as an activity for which you would derive either satisfaction or benefit. There is no right way to be a collector, and anyone who tries to tell you that there is, probably has motives that are suspect. Listen to others and scrutinize what they say. If you don't feel as if you know enough to talk about an area, or form conclusions, then you probably haven't seen enough examples of the guns under consideration, and you probably need to do more legwork. Scrutinize and question what you hear and read, especially from someone with the audacity to write 21 pages telling you how to make your life fullfilling. And above all else: trust your own intellect. Perhaps a final appeal or request: When something is found that seems to contradict the conventional wisdom or something is found that seems unusual or extraordinary, first do the homework to try to find an explanation and then write it up in the AUTOMAG newsletter. Be as complete and methodical as you can be. Most of us will never know anything new if we don't discuss things with each other. This collectors guide would not be complete without a description and pictures of at least all the major variations. However, for the moment at least, it will have to remain incomplete, and this area of the guide will have to wait for further effort at a future date. For those who appreciate the effort to date on this collectors guide, my particuluar interests are militaries in the serial range 710000 to 725000, and I would likewise appreciate any leads toward pistols in this range. Please email me at kxk1@juno.com. Good luck and good collecting. Karl Karash Copyright c 1990 Karl Karash All rights reserved. 21